Why I Love Men, Church, Religion and Jesus: Episode 208
Jan 26, 2012
Guests: Glenn Stanton, Jefferson Bethke, Travis Williams
Why some men don't like church, plus Jefferson Bethke on Jesus vs. religion, and a question about reconciling Catholic and Protestant differences in dating.
Church For Men
Guests: Martha Krienke, Glenn Stanton
When Martha first handed me David Murrow's "Where Have the Men Gone?" I said, "Good grief." There were several things I disagreed with and a few more I knew would be misunderstood by readers. But I'm no expert on men, nor am I a man attempting to navigate today's church culture. I decided we'd let Murrow make his case. I told Martha to (after a few edits — we're not masochists) run the article; then I prayed. You may have read the piece and formed your opinion already — or maybe not. Either way, listen in as several of us react to the article and its particulars. Then tell us what you think about this thorny "men and the church" business.
Jesus vs. Religion
Guests: Jefferson Bethke
Almost 17 million views. That's the latest tally for 22-year-old Jefferson Bethke's YouTube video of his spoken word poem "Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus." He thought a couple thousand people would see it; he was wrong. He was also unprepared for the debate it sparked. I called Jeff to talk about his intent behind the video, what he really thinks about the church, how it felt to be schooled by Kevin DeYoung, and what he's learned through this experience. He and I also shared an awkward moment, but that's not surprising, is it?
Guests: Glenn Stanton
He's a born-again Catholic, and she's a Protestant. They have a certain level of discomfort with some of each other's faith traditions. Is there room for a relationship here? Glenn Stanton and I look at this couple's future and lay out what's non-negotiable and what's merely a matter of printed prayers vs. pop choruses.