Debra Fileta‘s now-husband, then-boyfriend, dined on bologna sandwiches for months to cut down his grocery bill and save for an engagement ring. Debra thought it was cute back then, but now she realizes the concept is profound — marriage is all about your willingness to lay down your comfort and life for another person. Listen in as Lisa grills Debra on an embarrassing premarital counseling story, what she’s learned over the years being married, and how things like “bathroom drama” shatter the belief that life with a spouse is just a fairy tale.

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