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When was the last time you sat around with a group of Christian friends and asked yourselves, “What can we do to become holier?” It’s probably been a while, if ever. Pastor and author Kevin DeYoung thinks it’s time we start talking about holiness, and it’s the subject of his new book The Hole in Our Holiness. Because I have him in the studio, I also ask him about young adults, marriage, and how he’s become the blogging responder-of-the-moment to many Christian controversies (remember Love Wins?).